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knyland:

Damon:

knyland:

I am in total agreement I have alot of friends family and coworkers protecting those little punks freedom of speach and every right that they have. The least they could do is stand to support this great nation

Refusing to say the pledge is a manifestation of the freedoms of speech and expression your friends, family and coworkers are protecting.  Would you have their sacrifices made meaningless by a school who infringes upon those freedoms?

Freedom of speech is not limited to speech you agree with.

 

Point taken this stuff just gets me all riled up. I some times feel like no one understands the sacrifices anymore

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I agree with both of you guys.  You should never have to say something that you don't believe in.  However, these kids did not get in trouble for not saying the pledge they got in trouble for not standing and that is a different subject.  They went from standing up for what they believe in to being disrespectful of others beliefs and they got punished accordingly.  Suspension may be a little severe but they broke the schools rule and they were punished for it.  I would never sit during another countries national anthem (I know we are talking about the pledge but I am just using this as an example) or carry on a conversation during a prayer service for a religion I don't believe in because it is disrespectful and if I ever did I would be prepared for the backlash from those who were offended. 

knyland:

Damon:

knyland:

I am in total agreement I have alot of friends family and coworkers protecting those little punks freedom of speach and every right that they have. The least they could do is stand to support this great nation

Refusing to say the pledge is a manifestation of the freedoms of speech and expression your friends, family and coworkers are protecting.  Would you have their sacrifices made meaningless by a school who infringes upon those freedoms?

Freedom of speech is not limited to speech you agree with.

Point taken this stuff just gets me all riled up. I some times feel like no one understands the sacrifices anymore

http://troopssupport.com/

This site should make you feel better - it's an index of people and groups who DO understand the sacrifice and provide REAL support to the troops through volunteer work.  THESE are the people making a difference - not some kids who refuse to say the pledge.

I read the posts about freedom of speech and all the opposing opinions, I just wanted to through in my two cents worth.  If kids don't agree with the Pledge of Allegance thats their belief.  Its my belief that they don't need to much help in their life.  I guess it was said better back in WWII.  There is only room for Americans in America.  This applies to all the illegals too.  

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Mburley, Im creating a banner and putting your sig line above my desk. +100

The_Cadfather:

Damon:

Refusing to say the pledge is a manifestation of the freedoms of speech and expression your friends, family and coworkers are protecting.  Would you have their sacrifices made meaningless by a school who infringes upon those freedoms?

Freedom of speech is not limited to speech you agree with.

 

Prime example of the pansie wasted attitude that seems to be pretty prevelent in this country and the basis for the situation that forums the basis for OhioMike's post http://rswarrior.com/forums/t/109654.aspx 60 years later!!!! What a differance..  Maybe you really believe this SHlT that you spout but I for one have had about enough, if I wanted a lesson from someone whos only solace is taken in expressing a difference in opinion in every post, I'd perhaps join a forum just for that.  As a matter of fact, if your goal was to drive off long term members in good standing, you just got one, I'll be back when this NEEDLE DlCK is gone.  In the mean time have a nice life, I don't need the stress that he creates, from a place that I used to come to, to relax. 

Joe

Ah so it's either you or Damon? Ok, I choose Damon only for the fact that I have yet to hear him belittle, insult or threaten ANYONE despite all the CRAP he's taken from these "long term members in good standing"!   Is the only reason you post here just to have other people to agree with you on every issue?  You know the old saying, if two people agree on EVERY issue then only ONE of them is thinking!  Very dramatic, but you'll be back.

I think it's laughable (in a sad way) that several of our "long term members in good standing" have decided it's ok to threaten harm to people who may not agree with them on issues of free speech. I guess you wouldn't have a problem with a gang of zealots teaching your kid a lesson (with their fists presumably?) because their "loyalty" was called into question. I can just hear it now...."Oh no, my kid is the MOST patriotic blah blah blah..."   Yeah, well you can ALWAYS find someone even more zealous to support a cause.  It's not up to them or ANYONE to set the standard by which everyone must live up to.

You can argue all you want about supporting the troops, the president, or whatever, but NOTHING those kids did in that classroom in MN will have ANY effect, or bring harm to ANYONE inside or outside that classroom!  If you didn't read that story then your life wouldn't have been impacted at all. If you don't like free-speech then there are many other countries that you can choose to live in that happen to agree with you!

Case Law: First Amendment Flag Salute Cases

The_Cadfather:

Damon:

Refusing to say the pledge is a manifestation of the freedoms of speech and expression your friends, family and coworkers are protecting.  Would you have their sacrifices made meaningless by a school who infringes upon those freedoms?

Freedom of speech is not limited to speech you agree with.

 

Prime example of the pansie wasted attitude that seems to be pretty prevelent in this country and the basis for the situation that forums the basis for OhioMike's post http://rswarrior.com/forums/t/109654.aspx 60 years later!!!! What a differance..  Maybe you really believe this SHlT that you spout but I for one have had about enough, if I wanted a lesson from someone whos only solace is taken in expressing a difference in opinion in every post, I'd perhaps join a forum just for that.  As a matter of fact, if your goal was to drive off long term members in good standing, you just got one, I'll be back when this NEEDLE DlCK is gone.  In the mean time have a nice life, I don't need the stress that he creates, from a place that I used to come to, to relax. 

Joe

The all powerful darklord Damon has claimed his first victim of the weekend!  Sorry, but taking your toys and leaving because Damon's words "create stress".............

........Forget it, I was going to write more but I just can't take the stress.  Thanks a lot damon, you big mean athiest!

My son can make all the stands he likes when he is supporting himself. Until then it's an @ss whipping for some BS like this. He better stand up and mouth the words like he means it unless he is ready to make his own way. Until then it's MY way.

He enjoys only those freedoms I allow. He currently resides in the Peoples Republic of DeGraffenreid

 I don't see how you can not care if they fail to show respect for America by not standing. Do you stand when the national anthum is played ?  

JamesD:

My son can make all the stands he likes when he is supporting himself. Until then it's an @ss whipping for some BS like this. He better stand up and mouth the words like he means it unless he is ready to make his own way. Until then it's MY way.

 

He enjoys only those freedoms I allow. He currently resides in the Peoples Republic of DeGraffenreid

James, 

Excellent perspective that I share with you. 

AND no doubt your son will be a better person because of it!!!!   We are truly seeing the 2nd gen. as mentioned earlier.

These topics seem to always get big. I agree fuch0049. It is called respect, and there is Damon again. Man you just love pullin' everyones chain don't you. Your responses are quite eloquently written, but I'm beginning to wonder if you truly believe all that garbage.

How is this disrespectful to America?  America was founded on protest - it's even guaranteed in the Constitution!  Dissenting speech, protest and civil disobedience are important to the survival of any free society. Banning these forms of expression for the sake of "showing respect" only takes away an important safety valve that allow people to blow off steam instead of using more violent/extreme forms of protest.  Look at countries where these forms of expression are outlawed and you will find more bloodshed, violence and civil unrest.  If these kids are making a valid statement by this act, then society will judge them accordingly and use their act as a means to effect change without having to resort to the loss of innocent life.

gman:

These topics seem to always get big. I agree fuch0049. It is called respect, and there is Damon again. Man you just love pullin' everyones chain don't you. Your responses are quite eloquently written, but I'm beginning to wonder if you truly believe all that garbage.

Huh? The freedom of speech and expression is garbage? 

Damon, maybe this is the wrong forum for you. The FZ1 guys have a nice site and a forum called the War Room for contrarians like you. There you can find people like your self who like to argue and who's anger lies just below the surface.

jimell:

Damon, maybe this is the wrong forum for you. The FZ1 guys have a nice site and a forum called the War Room for contrarians like you. There you can find people like your self who like to argue and who's anger lies just below the surface.

 Yeah, cuz if you don't agree with the majority you should leave.  Obama Sucks +1000 or something like that.  Ooops - I shouldn't post when I drink this much.  I for one think it's "healthy" to have 2 points of view on all things.  The kids can do what they want, big deal.  I get pissed at baseball games when people don't remove their hats, but am I going to threaten violence??  No. They can do what they want, but if I see them with a flat tire in the parking lot with no jack, ummm... I'll keep walking.  I'm a moderate on this, and agree with JamesD - since I have a son of my own, and I was raised the same way.  The hair stands up on the back of my neck when I hear the Star Spangled Banner.  But telling another member he shouldn't be here because his views are different is ridiculous. 

jimell:

Damon, maybe this is the wrong forum for you. The FZ1 guys have a nice site and a forum called the War Room for contrarians like you. There you can find people like your self who like to argue and who's anger lies just below the surface.

If everyone thought the same then we would not need "Freedom of Speech or Expression". Better to be a contrarian than cry umbrage and deny the contradiction.