The Yamaha Road Star Warrior Forum

 Jarv.....Sorry to detract from the thread slightly - - just wondered. I also bought a headlight from a US member recently ...and I now need to drill a hole for a pilot bulb which obviously doesn't exist in the US version. The official UK model had one as standard. (Mine was drilled when I bought the bike - - I could tell because the headlight was full of fine powder/filings which I was never able to fully remove!

Just remembered this Jarv. The lens for the headlight on foreign vehicles are not compatable for the UK. On dip they are focused to the right. M.O.T. failure Jarv. Sorry bud.

Gav:

Just remembered this Jarv. The lens for the headlight on foreign vehicles are not compatable for the UK. On dip they are focused to the right. M.O.T. failure Jarv. Sorry bud.

No worries Gav.

No MOT tests on motorcycles here !

The USA (U49) and CAN throttle bodies are ID Marked XV1700PC-5PX1-00).  The CAL (California) throttle bodies are ID Marked XV1700PC-5PX2-10) (maybe to accept the smog system charcoal cannister).  Thses ID Mark numbers are not changed in the 2003 or the 2006 (newest) Service Manual Supplement.  But the replacement part numbers change: 

• 2002-2005 USA-CAN = 5PX-13750-00-00
• 2002-2005 CAL = 5PX-13750-10-00
• 2006-2007 USA-CAN = 5PX-13750-01-00
• 2006-2007 CAL = 5PX-13750-11-00
• 2008-2009 USA-CAN = 5PX-13750-02-00
• 2008-2009 CAL = 5PX-13750-12-00

I have no way to determine if either throttle body has actually changed.  It could be handy to know if you are buying or selling parts from a parted-out bike.

The time is coming, I'll start working on this update next week.  Hopefully all our UK / EU guys have discovered more differences.  I was hoping to hear from some 2009 owners on any differences.  Anyway, if anyone has more goodies to add to Model Year Differences, please chime in soon! 

ok mike - sunday wet to the park at greenwich with jarv and when i tried his clutch lever it needed brute force to pull it!!.. 2 differences i noticed his 2005 or is it 06 anyways has the engine end lever notched further in and the spring underneath is much thicker...than my 03 which is also notched nearer 90 degrees see photos - my lever is much much easier to pull - what is this?

the last pic is jarv's thicker cable - different angle and much thicker spring underneath? - cheers tom

Dunno let's ask him!

From his Gallery he has + 4” Venhill engineering clutch and throttle cables.  But I don't see a Barnett SR2.  Maybe the heavy feel of the clutch lever is a combination of the heavier lever-spring (which I have not heard about before) and the +4" cable giving 4" more drag, plus possibly the lever-angle was moved from stock to help accomodate the +4" clutch cable, putting it beyond the correct angle (which would add the feel of weight also).

But its just a guess.  Maybe he has an SR2 and its just not listed?

I'm interested in the heavier clutch lever spring, maybe Jarv will chime-in? 

Arizona Warrior:

Dunno let's ask him!

i did!![stoney ground]...and he's off to scotland tomorrow...he's just always lived with it...i thought i took a pic of the springs but doh...i'll measure the thickness of mine my spring, and get him to do the same when he meets up with Gav next weekend...thunder in the glen...now that's a meeting name to conjure with..he does have a mod cable but forgotten which one....i agree i think his lever is out of position but then thought it might be a year difference...but as yousay maybe it has something to do with the length of that cable meeting the lever...this maybe a a difference...[straw pulling] but as i know you love these cunumdrums!!  and we appreciate the fact that you do!! -you're ears must have been burning yesterday! 

ps - he has bones 'yami cowl' which i can have.... but...... no fixings!! so i'm going to be searching for more 'bolts' mike....i saw you duck!!

Arizona Warrior:

Dunno let's ask him!

From his Gallery he has + 4” Venhill engineering clutch and throttle cables.  But I don't see a Barnett SR2.  Maybe the heavy feel of the clutch lever is a combination of the heavier lever-spring (which I have not heard about before) and the +4" cable giving 4" more drag, plus possibly the lever-angle was moved from stock to help accomodate the +4" clutch cable, putting it beyond the correct angle (which would add the feel of weight also).

But its just a guess.  Maybe he has an SR2 and its just not listed?

I'm interested in the heavier clutch lever spring, maybe Jarv will chime-in? 

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

CHIME CHIME!  

Mike - here are my facts:

My bike is an 06 midnight. I got it brand new.

I believe it is a CalIfornia spec (?) because it had a "collector" on the bottom of the front left frame, where all the vent pipes and other spaghetti was gathered.

The cable IS a Venill Eng 4" over.

I sent them my stock cable and they replicated all the bends, adjusters...etc..except it is 4" longer - and black.

The lever on the clutch assey has never been moved from the day I got the bike.

I am fully aware of the pro's and con's of moving the arm on the spline but.....

I simply hooked up the new cable - and bingo!

The "run" of the cable is good, the angle of the pull, relative to the arm looks fine to me.

I have never really felt that the drag on the cable was anything other than "average" 

The return spring is definately thicker / heavier than Tom's 03.

I would guess that the spring size is the difference between the models -

I don't suppose there are stronger clutch springs internally - - - unless I have one of those strange upgraded bikes---- ?

REF: A gift from Yamaha.. http://rswarrior.com/forums/t/139488.aspx?PageIndex=1    .

I am a lot stronger than Tom

jarv:

I am a lot stronger than Tom

 Looking at this chart at the bottom is it correct with the dry weights?  Why is the weight increased on' 07 and up?

Arizona Warrior:

		Last Update: April 1st 2009   (not regularly maintained - read reply posts also)
	Year	Feature, Change, or Recall	Member #1	Member #2
		If member #2 did not confirm then triple check.  Even if #2 confirmed, re-check.
		Things change over time!
	2002	Preload adjustable single rear shock	ArizonaWarrior	Rdarnitall / DarkStar
		Fuel tank mount related recall	ArizonaWarrior	Rdarnitall
		Digital clock reads in 24-hour format (01:00-24:00)	Tomasa	Warrior_Dave
		Transmission recall	cr0ssfire	ArizonaWarrior
		Bridgestone or Dunlop Tires	Independent_Lemming	ArizonaWarrior
		CDI Ignition	Onager	ArizonaWarrior
		Under-the-clearcoat tank badge	Independent_Lemming	ArizonaWarrior
		Chrome tank badge	slngshott	Rdarnitall
		Rear axle nut 90179-22004-00	ArizonaWarrior	Independent_Lemming
		Rear axle washer 90215-26041-00	ArizonaWarrior	Independent_Lemming
		Handlebar control wires covered in gray tube wrap.	Bruce59	ArizonaWarrior
		Icons for handlebar buttons on the switch housings	Bruce59	ArizonaWarrior
		02-05 front pulley washer 90215-26241-00 (new tabbed)	Independent_Lemming	ArizonaWarrior
		02-05 front pulley nut 90179-22004-00	ArizonaWarrior
		02-05 front pulley nut 22mm thd 1.5p M36 hex socket	AlanH	ArizonaWarrior
		Amber turn signal lenses with clear bulb	Onager	ArizonaWarrior
		Wire Harness Assy 5PX-82590-00-00	AlanH	ArizonaWarrior
	2003	Digital clock reads in 12-hour format (AM/PM)	ArizonaWarrior	Dude143a / OldMan
		Preload and rebound adjustable single rear shock	rdarnitall	ArizonaWarrior
		Transmission recall	ArizonaWarrior	Dude143a
		Bridgestone or Dunlop Tires	Independent_Lemming	ArizonaWarrior
		TCI Ignition	Onager	ArizonaWarrior
		Under-the-clearcoat tank badge	ArizonaWarrior	Dude143a
		Rear axle washer changed to 90215-30233-00	ArizonaWarrior
		Generator Stator improved (5PX-81410-10-00)	ArizonaWarrior
		Handlebar control wires covered in gray tube wrap.	Bruce59	ArizonaWarrior
		(Some?) 2003 bikes were sold as 2004 models in Eurpoe	Tomba
		(Some?) U.K. bikes have only front horn, no side horn.	Tomba
		Wire Harness Assy 5PX-82590-10-00	AlanH	ArizonaWarrior
	2004	Two-piece seat, new fender mounting position	RobRuguez	ArizonaWarrior
		Front rider pegs slightly further forward and down, shorter pavement feelers	Onager	RobRiguez
		Chrome wire boot-guard at header is larger and horizontal	Toomba	ArizonaWarrior
		Slightly different mirror stems	RobRiguez	ArizonaWarrior
		Slightly more pullback on the stock handlebars	ArizonaWarrior	Onager
		Bridgestone or Dunlop Tires	Independent_Lemming	ArizonaWarrior
		Passenger pegs forward and down (flip-and-grind not needed) (thanks, Infidel)	Onager	ArizonaWarrior
		Sliver tank badge under clearcoat	slngshott	ArizonaWarrior
		Rear fender under-stay moved back slightly	ArizonaWarrior
		License plate bracket moved back slightly in fender	ArizonaWarrior
		Icons for handlebar bguttons on the buttons	Bruce59
		Some European 2004 bikes are 2003 model year	Tomba
		(verify if transmission recall affects some '04 non-USA bikes)	Tomba
		Indigo bikes have blue and purple pinstriping	Onager
		Wire Harness Assy 5PX-82590-20-00	AlanH	ArizonaWarrior
	2005	Bridgestone or Dunlop Tires	Independent_Lemming	ArizonaWarrior
		Clear turn signal lenses with amber bulb	Onager	ArizonaWarrior
		Over-the-clearcoat tank badge	Independent_Lemming	ArizonaWarrior
		First OEM Midnight Warrior	ArizonaWarrior	Fafo64
		Front master cylinder taller #5PX-W2587-01-00	Bruce59	ArizonaWarrior
		Handlebar control wires have black tube wrap.	Bruce59	ArizonaWarrior
		Wire Harness Assy 5PX-82590-20-00	AlanH	ArizonaWarrior
	2006	Radial Mounted Brakes	RobRiguez	CalWarrior
		Stainless Steel Cables and Front Brake Line	RobRiguez	ArizonaWarrior
		Front master cylinder redesigned	ArizonaWarrior
		Slightly different mirror stems again (?)	ArizonaWarrior
		Five-Spoke Cast Wheels	RobRiguez	CalWarrior
		Five-Spoke Pulley	CalWarrior	ArizonaWarrior
		Rear pulley has an extra tooth (?)	Tosh
		Forks 3/4" shorter than previous models	OhioMike
		Bridgestone or Dunlop Tires	Independent_Lemming	ArizonaWarrior
		Rear axle nut changed to 90179-22006-00	ArizonaWarrior	Independent_lemming
		Rear axle washer to 90208-22002-00 (no tabs)	ArizonaWarrior
		First paint with racing stripes on tank	ArizonaWarrior
		Magneto Stator improved more 5PX-81410-11-00	ArizonaWarrior
		Starter Motor improved (5PX-81890-01-00)	ArizonaWarrior
		Middle shaft on chain side changed to (part#?)	AlanH	Ross
		Bearing housing on chain side changed to (part#?)	AlanH	Ross
		Transmission output shaft changed to (part#?)	AlanH	Ross
		Midnights have 3D tank badges	Gitrdone
		Compression increased from 8.3:1 to 8.36:1	Roadburner06	(see 2008)
	?	06-08 front pulley uses 22mm nut (30mm hex) # 90179-22006-00	Independent_Lemming	Ross / Sadster
	?	06-08 front pulley 22mm dimple nut (32mm hex) # 90179-22006-00	AlanH
		06-08 front pulley conical spring washer 90208-22002-00	ArizonaWarrior
		Wire Harness Assy 5PX-82590-20-00	AlanH	ArizonaWarrior
	2007	Bridgestone or Dunlop Tires	Independent_Lemming	ArizonaWarrior
		Midnights have red pinstriping	Onager
		Midnights have 3D tank badge	Siradude
		Midnights have red tribal pinstripe tank, rear fender	RobRiguez
		Wire Harness Assy 5PX-82590-20-00	ArizonaWarrior
	2008	Compression increased from 8.3:1 to 8.36:1	Onager	(see 2006)
		Rider seat lowered .6 of an inch.	Onager
		Changed from Kayaba to KYB fork (same mfr)	Onager	BlackStar
		Tank badge says Star, Not Warrior	ArizonaWarrior	Ardsranger
		Midnight wheels are same as standard Warrior (not all black w/red).	Ardsranger	SeattleSage
		Wire Harness Assy 5PX-82590-20-00	ArizonaWarrior
	2009	Reportedly the same as 2008 except paint colors.
		Post-up when you learn of any differences!
		Midnight wheels again all black with red pinstripe.	Seattlesage	Siradude
	2010	169ci Bi Turbo with all chrome diamond cut jug fins standard	- - - just kidding - - -
		Stripped Hot Rod with minimized weight	- - - just kidding - - -
	All	Official European bikes may have: Two headlight bulbs, non-LED tail light (some	Timoken
		with a red lens), e-approved separate front signals and running lights, turn signals
		do NOT auto-cancel, different horns, systems meet Euro-emmissions.
	All	Midnight's have red tach lights, others have blue	Independent_Lemming	ArizonaWarrior
		Midnight OEM exhausts have less heat shielding	Independent_Lemming	ArizonaWarrior
	Paint
	2002	Metallic Titanium, Imperial Red, Indigo	ArizonaWarrior
	2002	Cobalt Blue with Silver Flames?	ArizonaWarrior
	2003	Titanium Metallic	Dude143a
	2003	Liquid Silver	ArizonaWarrior
	2003	Onxy with Indigo Flames	ArizonaWarrior
	2004	Indigo with blue and purple pinstripe	ArizonaWarrior
	2004	Cerulean Silver with Flames,	ArizonaWarrior
	2005	Indigo with Blue and Purple Pin Stripe	ArizonaWarrior
	2005	Black Cherry with Flames	ArizonaWarrior
	2005	Onxy - First Midnight	ArizonaWarrior
	2006	Candy Apple Red with Silver Stripes on Tank	ArizonaWarrior
	2006	Onyx - midnight	ArizonaWarrior
	2006	Cobalt Blue Sliver Flames	Kichigai
	2007	Sapphire Blue with Liquid Silver Flames	ArizonaWarrior
	2007	Charcoal Silver with Gray Stripes on Tank
	2007	Raven - Midnight with Red Tribal Pin Stripe	RobRiguez	ArizonaWarrior
	2008	Candy Red with Black sides	ArizonaWarrior	Siradude
	2008	Raven - Midnight	ArizonaWarrior	Fake
	2009	Liquid Silver	ArizonaWarrior	Siradude
	2009	Onyx - Midnight	ArizonaWarrior	Fake
	2010	Pearl Black Metallic with Wet Chrome Ghost Flames	- - - just kidding - - -	ArizonaWarrior
	Weight
	2002	606 pounds dry weight	SeattleSage	ArizonaWarrior
	2003	606 pounds dry weight	SeattleSage	ArizonaWarrior
	2004	606 pounds dry weight	SeattleSage	ArizonaWarrior
	2005	606 pounds dry weight	SeattleSage	ArizonaWarrior
	2006	606 pounds dry weight	SeattleSage	ArizonaWarrior
	2007	613 pounds dry weight	SeattleSage	ArizonaWarrior
	2008	612 pounds dry Weight	SeattleSage	ArizonaWarrior
	2009	650 pounds wet weight	ArizonaWarrior
	2010	593 pounds wet weight	- - - just kidding - - -	ArizonaWarrior

Warrior-Dragracing978:

Back then I couldn't find a reason for it either, so I guessed it was probably either an error, or more likely just a factory correction.  But candidly I didn't know why the weight increased that little bit when there were no significant equipment changes for those model years.  Behind the scenes my guess was the battery weight changed because in 2007/2008 the Yuasa battery MIGHT HAVE grown to a larger CCA battery (from 135CCA to 210CCA I think - without going back to look).  That could add 5 or 6 pounds.  But again, I truly don't know.

Warrior-Dragracing978:

 Looking at this chart at the bottom is it correct with the dry weights?  Why is the weight increased on' 07 and up?

Excellent excuse to start a new vest!  Brilliant!

tomba:

you're going on that diet then!!!...lol lol lol - you'll need a new vest then!

ArizonaWarrior:

2010   593 pounds wet weight    - - - just kidding - - -   ArizonaWarrior

Arizona Warrior:

Excellent excuse to start a new vest!  Brilliant

had me going...just for one moment...i thought you were going to ignore me...lol

Spied Jarvs clutch today. The inside of his cable is definitely thicker than an 03, his is an 06. His cable has a 45 degree bend at the bars, 03 is straight. Both 03 & 06 springs for the spindle lever down at the clutch casing are the same thickness Tom.

 I'd say (have to be very careful how I word this) the strength of pull on both levers are about the same. Phew....

Gav:

I'd say (have to be very careful how I word this) the strength of pull on both levers are about the same. Phew....

too quick with that...'phew' there me hearty....it's the plank for you...as it happens then you're clutch is also a bugger to pull...'cause when i near broke my wrist on jarv's, we both tried mine against his and mine clutch is as smooth as smooth can be..half the weight needed to pull back.....interesting the spring is the same size....his angle of the dangle on the engine end was it the same as yours by chance did you notice ..??