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When I was in Iraq I dont remember fighting with a cross nor do I remember seeing anyone else fight with a cross. It was a 5.56 that did all of the talking for me. Any other Iraq veterans see anyone fighting with a cross? Didn't think so. I do remember seeing 2 planes flying into the twin towers and one into the Pentagon on Sept. 11 2001, though. Listen fellas the voice of reason is just trying to get this post locked so lets not give him the satisfaction of that. We are all wrong anyway. Speedyinfidelfreek I talked to mustfire today and he said he did blow off his muffler on the ride. Pretty funny, glad I wasn't behind him.

Oh yea I also had a .50 cal (12.7mm) and a mark 19 grenade launcher in each one of my vehicles.  Ok I'm done back to Call of Duty 4.

Infidel:

2 cents, thats a lot more credit than I would have given. Remember we are all wrong. Because he knows everything. Oh yea because he has been there. NOT. 

Been where?  The Middle East?  I did live there for a couple years (late 2003 - late 2005).  I also speak Egyptian Arabic fluently and Classical Arabic semi-fluently.  Does that count?

As usual you miss the point Nomad, you have never been there!

speedyinfidelfreek:

As usual you miss the point Nomad, you have never been there!

No, I got the point.  Our friend seems to think that, in order to qualify to have any sort of opinion on the matter, one must live in an American military installation, receive constant exposure to first-rate military propaganda, and harbor a deep and undying hatred of brown people.

I get the point just fine.  I just disagree.

Damon:

Been where?  The Middle East?  I did live there for a couple years (late 2003 - late 2005).  I also speak Egyptian Arabic fluently and Classical Arabic semi-fluently.  Does that count?

 

Ok you lived in the Middle East, I am proud of you. Where? You would not have made it more than a couple of hours in Fallujah, only because you are American, they do not care about how much you love them you are American and that is all that matters to them. Most of them hate Americans. The ones that dont love us and are glad we are there. I also speak Arabic semi-fluently so no it doesn't count for anything. What does count in my book is when you pick up a rifle and protect the man to your left and right and defend your country from another attack. I have heard all of your stories, I was here a week after they were attacked, and there when they were attacked but when it is directed towards you and your men it is a different story. So just being in the MIDDLE EAST doesn't mean squat to me. I hope that answers your question. If not let me try this NO, Damn I cant remember his name right now but he was an american that was fighting with them, against us he spoke Arabic too should that have made a difference? Again the answer is NO. What the hell was his name give me a minute and I will find it.

Damon:

Our friend seems to think that, in order to qualify to have any sort of opinion on the matter, one must live in an American military installation, receive constant exposure to first-rate military propaganda, and harbor a deep and undying hatred of brown people.

 

Just in case I am "our friend" I do not harbor deep and undying hatered of brown people. It is quite the opposite. For Pete's sake I drank tea and ate with them. They were happy we were there. Wouldn't let us leave their house until they could do something for us. What have you done to free them from the Saddam Regime that would murder them if they disagreed with him the way you do with us? They did not have that right so over ther I guess you would have been murdered. I actually like the Iraqi people and respect the sh!t out of them in may ways. I just dislike the extremists that bomb and attack America. I dislike they way the extremist kidnap and kill their own because they have their own beliefs.

Damon:

speedyinfidelfreek:

As usual you miss the point Nomad, you have never been there!

No, I got the point.  Our friend seems to think that, in order to qualify to have any sort of opinion on the matter, one must live in an American military installation, receive constant exposure to first-rate military propaganda, and harbor a deep and undying hatred of brown people.

I get the point just fine.  I just disagree.

You still don't get the point, and now you change the subject to divert attention away from the fact.

 You don't get it nor will you ever get it. Unfortunately, in your case, you will only understand how wrong

 you are when you have a really long time to think about it, like an eternity!

The biggest problem with only believing in yourself is that nobody else is willing to care about what you believe in!

I do appreciate you and and I have empathy for you, but you just don't get it. Honestly, you just do not have the capacity.

Its not in your code.

speedyinfidelfreek:

Its not in your code.

 

Or PROGRAM for that matter.

Infidel:

Damon:

Been where?  The Middle East?  I did live there for a couple years (late 2003 - late 2005).  I also speak Egyptian Arabic fluently and Classical Arabic semi-fluently.  Does that count?

 

Ok you lived in the Middle East, I am proud of you. Where? You would not have made it more than a couple of hours in Fallujah, only because you are American, they do not care about how much you love them you are American and that is all that matters to them. Most of them hate Americans. The ones that dont love us and are glad we are there. I also speak Arabic semi-fluently so no it doesn't count for anything. What does count in my book is when you pick up a rifle and protect the man to your left and right and defend your country from another attack. I have heard all of your stories, I was here a week after they were attacked, and there when they were attacked but when it is directed towards you and your men it is a different story. So just being in the MIDDLE EAST doesn't mean squat to me. I hope that answers your question. If not let me try this NO, Damn I cant remember his name right now but he was an american that was fighting with them, against us he spoke Arabic too should that have made a difference? Again the answer is NO. What the hell was his name give me a minute and I will find it.

Don't get me wrong.  I appreciate that, because of your combat experience, you have different perspectives and insights than those of us with none.

I'm not anti-military or anti-war.  I don't think we should love our enemies, turn the other cheek, or otherwise become weak and passive.  I do, however, think that we should hold ourselves to higher standards and treat our enemies with the honor and respect that all human beings deserve, even when they fail to reciprocate.  We should stand as a pillar of human decency, rather than sink into the cesspool of hateful propaganda, bigotry, racism, and blind nationalism that our enemies inhabit.  After all, if we become like them, then what right do we have to oppose them?

Call that stupid or naive or idealistic if you want, but I think Nietzsche put it best, and most simply:

"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster."

That's pretty much all I'm trying to say.  We've become the mirror image of the people we're fighting, which just makes both sides look bad.

Also, regarding your other post, the image with the cross and crescent is a metaphor - I'm sure you understand the concept, so I'm not sure why you made the silly rebuttal implying that the image was meant to be taken literally...

speedyinfidelfreek:

Damon:

speedyinfidelfreek:

As usual you miss the point Nomad, you have never been there!

No, I got the point.  Our friend seems to think that, in order to qualify to have any sort of opinion on the matter, one must live in an American military installation, receive constant exposure to first-rate military propaganda, and harbor a deep and undying hatred of brown people.

I get the point just fine.  I just disagree.

You still don't get the point, and now you change the subject to divert attention away from the fact.

 You don't get it nor will you ever get it. Unfortunately, in your case, you will only understand how wrong

 you are when you have a really long time to think about it, like an eternity!

The biggest problem with only believing in yourself is that nobody else is willing to care about what you believe in!

I do appreciate you and and I have empathy for you, but you just don't get it. Honestly, you just do not have the capacity.

Its not in your code.

I can't help but notice that you've provided no details or evidence for your claims.  Simply repeating "you don't get it" several times isn't a very compelling argument...

You've also implied that you're under the impression that I will, at some point, have "eternity" to think about how wrong I am.  While I also appreciate and have empathy for you, knowing that you believe in magical fairytales makes it very difficult for me to consider you a credible source of information.

Damon:

I do, however, think that we should hold ourselves to higher standards and treat our enemies with the honor and respect that all human beings deserve, even when they fail to reciprocate.  We should stand as a pillar of human decency, rather than sink into the cesspool of hateful propaganda, bigotry, racism, and blind nationalism that our enemies inhabit.  After all, if we become like them, then what right do we have to oppose them?

 

Well I think this is the one thing we can agree on. If you served with the military over there you would see that we are doing this. But since you have not and all you know is what is put out on CNN you do not understand. I can not tell you the amount of possible and known Al Qaeda I have fed and kept alive for further interrogation and then released because of lack of evidence. You have not been in my shoes and you do not know how our hands are tied in order to ensure we do not fall into their mentality. If you really want to understand exactly how humane we treat them despite how they treat us, join the service and go to Iraq or Afghanastan, then and only then would you realize how much better we are than them because of how we treat our enemies. I have seen it and done it. Unless you have you just dont get it.

 

Damon:

We've become the mirror image of the people we're fighting, which just makes both sides look bad.

How do you know this? Have you been there? Oh yea CNN From your couch in your air conditioned home where you have the right to voice your opinion. YOU JUST DON'T GET IT. And until you have been there you wont! We have done some bad and unjustified things over there that even I do not agree with and would not have allowed my Marines to get away with. But the couple of bad thing that we have done doesnt over ride all of the good that we have done.

Damon:

I did live there for a couple years (late 2003 - late 2005).  I also speak Egyptian Arabic fluently and Classical Arabic semi-fluently. 

 

I notice that most of your posts begin with "I did this......"  or "I did that......"  All about you.  You should be proud of yourself that you appear to have no "self-esteem" issues.  That's good.    You should be proud that you have "been there - done that" too.    But let's not confuse fluency in language or "good" education with intelligence.  Why are you here Damon.  Are you ready to "register" to become an Infidel????  What do you intend to contribute to this thread? 

Damon:

Considering that, by definition, YOU are an infidel in every respect (not just muslim), what is your new screen name going to be?

InfidelDamon?
WytchingInfidel?
InfidelHour?

Infidel Dog:

Damon:

I did live there for a couple years (late 2003 - late 2005).  I also speak Egyptian Arabic fluently and Classical Arabic semi-fluently. 

 

I notice that most of your posts begin with "I did this......"  or "I did that......"  All about you.  You should be proud of yourself that you appear to have no "self-esteem" issues.  That's good.    You should be proud that you have "been there - done that" too.    But let's not confuse fluency in language or "good" education with intelligence.  Why are you here Damon.  Are you ready to "register" to become an Infidel????  What do you intend to contribute to this thread? 

Sick'em Infidel Dog.

The problem is that he has not been there and done that, He has been there but has done nothing. He uses being in the MIDDLE EAST as a crutch to sound like he has been there and done that. Guess what he hasn't. I have been to Hawaii, does that make me Hawiian? Nope didn't think so. I take nothing away from Damon but his experience in the MIDDLE EAST was totally different from those in the military fighting the war on terrorism. I understand that and so should he. He should stop trying to act like he knows what is going on. I watch the news also, and  for the most part, they do not show the positive things only the negative stuff.

Did you see my Corpsman giving first aid to a young child that was sick and needed medical attantion? Didn't think so. Did you see my Corpsman giving medical treatment to an insurgent that was wounded while in a firefight against us? Didn't think so. Did you see the Egyptian that was captured and torchered by the Al Qaeda that we rescued while doing cashe sweeps. Didn't think so but it happens, so we are not like them. If they capture one of us they usually kill us and you see it in a video on the interet. When we do something wrong it is exposed on the news and we are made out to be the bad guys. Keep watching the news Damon, you seem to have it all figured out. Maybe you should run for President.