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HELP!!! Electrical problem and I'm lost.

Last post 10-01-2009 8:43 AM by OldMan. 21 replies.
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  • 05-12-2007 8:17 PM In reply to

    Re: HELP!!! Electrical problem and I'm lost.


    just so you don't waste a ton of time. there are two different issues with leds:

    1) fast flashing, caused by changing to led turn signals, this is fixed with load equalizers or resistors in parallel to the turn signal wires.

    2) the click of death from the decompression solonoid, this is caused by not having running lights, or changing the running lights to leds, the fix is the 1000 ohm resistor detailed above, or the hidden light bulb also detailed above, placed in the running light circuit.

    i went off 1/2 baked not realizing that there were 2 distinct issues, and wasted a ton of time.

    be safe
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  • 05-13-2007 3:46 AM In reply to

    • AlanH
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    COD - Click of Death aka Solenoid Syndrome

    My .02 regarding Item 2 (Click of Death aka Solenoid Syndrome):
    The Warrior electrical system needs to bleed-off/drain when the ignition is turned off.
    If the ignition kill switch is operated with the trans in gear the electrical system drains off through the Blue running light wire.

    The lack of a INCADESENT BULB or the conversion to total LED's for the front running lights and also the rear license light prevents this from happening. LED's (light-emitting diode) only allow the electricity to flow in one direction.


    EDITED: 01/30/08
    Because of the very slight voltage drop across the LED, the circuit is unable to completely drain to Ground!
    Oposite to the direction required for draining the system.


    Hence, the addition of a small incadesent bulb or resisitor in the running light circuit resolves the issue as bugei ;) described!


    Actual example: My Warrior had Sylvania Silverstar 1157A incadesent Bulbs in the front Deuce running/turn signals. Rear lights Kuryakyn 2372 Red Dual circuit LED running and turn signal with a Radiantz Billet Clear LED License Plate Frame. Flash rate was compensated with a Kuryakyn 4810 LEQ. Ran this set-up for 2-years without any problems :)


    Revised new lighting this past week: Upgraded the front incadesent Deuce lighting to New Dual Circuit LED's (cluster of 40 ea light). Rear lighting remained as is except that i replaced the 4810 LEQ to a higher amp Signal Dynamics LEQ mounted under my seat.


    OK...Yup...guess what... [?]
    The Click of Death aka Solenoid Syndrome now resides on my bike ;)


    The moral to this exercise is that LED's in the running light circuits won't resolve the issue. Must be a bulb/resistor to set things right and it doesn't take much as bugei stated. The running light circuits are available in the headlight, under the seat and the tail/license lights!

    BTW, i never shut my bike off in gear with the kill switch. I always reach and turn the key off if parking in gear Cake

    Also FYI, the Kuryakyn 4810 LEQ is a 2~terminal single ceramic resistor with 2-diodes that attach to 1~terminal of the resistor. The wires then connect to the POS signal light wires respectively. The diodes prevent feedback to the opposing signal not in use. The other terminal of the resistor connects to ground.

    quote:


    Originally posted by bugei


    just so you don't waste a ton of time. there are two different issues with leds:

    1) fast flashing, caused by changing to led turn signals, this is fixed with load equalizers or resistors in parallel to the turn signal wires.

    2) the click of death from the decompression solonoid, this is caused by not having running lights, or changing the running lights to leds, the fix is the 1000 ohm resistor detailed above, or the hidden light bulb also detailed above, placed in the running light circuit.

    i went off 1/2 baked not realizing that there were 2 distinct issues, and wasted a ton of time.

    be safe



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  • 05-13-2007 4:10 AM In reply to

    Re: HELP!!! Electrical problem and I'm lost.

    Can't get much more clarity than this, thanks Alan! I was going to mount an LED inside the left-side scoop to get some glow going like fire at a dragster exhaust tip (hey figured it would be fun for awhile) but now maybe I'll use an incandescent plugged into the now-unused license plate light so that when I change the front signals to LED I'll avoid the Click of Death!
  • 08-07-2007 3:20 PM In reply to

    • mjpatch
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    Re: HELP!!! Electrical problem and I'm lost.

    Ok, not sure if I have this issue or not. When I turn my bike off with the kill switch I do hear the clicking, but, then it stops. Does that mean my battery is draining? Is the issue related to the clicking something that continues on all bikes even after the key is removed? I turn mine off with the switch, it clicks for about 2 seconds, then its done.

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  • 09-30-2009 9:06 PM In reply to

    Re: HELP!!! Electrical problem and I'm lost.

     i relize this is an old thread but it just saved me a ton of time and hassle! (after i spent all night ripping my bike apart chasing demons)[:'(]

     

    put on an led tag bracket today and could not for the life of me fiqure out what that god awful clicking was lol. just plugged the front turn signals back in and the problem went awaySurprise

     

    i should have come here first and i kinda hate to say it, being more mechanically inclined then computer inclined, but i am def getting my computer out before my wrenchs the next time there is a problem!

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  • 10-01-2009 4:56 AM In reply to

    Re: HELP!!! Electrical problem and I'm lost.

    Welcome to the forums!

    rlfknlorangers:

     i relize this is an old thread but it just saved me a ton of time and hassle! (after i spent all night ripping my bike apart chasing demons)[:'(]

    put on an led tag bracket today and could not for the life of me fiqure out what that god awful clicking was lol. just plugged the front turn signals back in and the problem went awaySurprise

    i should have come here first and i kinda hate to say it, being more mechanically inclined then computer inclined, but i am def getting my computer out before my wrenchs the next time there is a problem!

  • 10-01-2009 8:43 AM In reply to

    • OldMan
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    Re: HELP!!! Electrical problem and I'm lost.

    rlfknlorangers:
    i should have come here first and i kinda hate to say it, being more mechanically inclined then computer inclined, but i am def getting my computer out before my wrenchs the next time there is a problem!

    Welcome aboard.  It's sometimes fun, and always feels good to troubleshoot and repair things on your own.  However, it can also be very time consuming.  This forum can really save you time and frustration.  99.99% of the time someone on here has already BTDT. 

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