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You guys are really running with this "we" thing, even though I don't think anyone here is stupid enough to not understand what I meant.  You're really grasping at straws here.

Wasn't Darwin Catholic? He just believed that we evolved from fish, monkies, but DNA proves him wrong, As for praying for Obuma, yes, but not for lifting the *** up, but to clean house. Can one say that without the FBI reading these forum boards. and not get into trouble? It's the country that will/ is going down the tubes

Damon:

What about the very next line of the psalm you used to start off this thread: "may his children be fatherless and his wife a widow."  Yep - real moral.  Asking your invisible friend to murder people definitely has a place in civilized society.

I don't know the bible so I don't know the context this was pulled out of.  Is the bible teaching this is what people should do or is it just relating a story of what someone said or wrote?   If it's just relating a story then wouldn't you be guilty of the crime of quote mining you have blamed others for in the past?        

Sushi_Biker:

If you wish to use "we" in the context of belonging to a group of people who share a common disbelief, then certainly.

That's not what I said.

Sushi_Biker:

However, I disagree that all religion being "nonsense" is part of the general body of human understanding and knowledge.

So do I, but no one ever said that, so it's not really relevant.

Sushi_Biker:

Although the number of athiests and agnostics is rising, the number of people converting to Islam is rising far faster, (far faster than the number of people converting to any Christian belief in fact) and the overall number of people in the world who practice some kind of faith, vastly outnumbers atheists and agnostics. People are rapidly shifting faiths from one to another as well. 

I'm not sure if there's a point this.  If a million people say a foolish thing, it's still a foolish thing.  The fact that there are a billion muslims doesn't convince you that Islam is true, so I'm not sure why you're citing numbers.

Sushi_Biker:

Although this study is limited to the U.S., here is a Pew study to educate you. http://religions.pewforum.org/reports  As you can see, "Unaffiliated" is listed at 16.1%, with Atheists comprising 1.6% and Agnostics comprising 2.4%. Agnosticism isn't even an outright denial of religion in the way that Atheism is, so you're really quite in the minority.

Again, I'm not sure why you're citing numbers.  Lots of people believe in ghosts, astrology, and homeopathy, too.  Doesn't make it any less ridiculous.

Sushi_Biker:

Look Damon, I know you have no use for faith and that's cool because you're entitled to your own beliefs or lack of them but you should really stop making unsupported claims that the rest of the world agrees with you

I never said that.  Why are you lying?

Sushi_Biker:

and stop acting like you're here to educate the rswarrior forum as if it's the last bastion of religious retard-holdouts. You know all of those religious symbols that you cleverly have in your signature line? Those people VASTLY outnumber you, they outnumber people who think like you, and do not acknowledge that faith is nonsense.

Yes, we've established the people who believe in magic outnumber me.  I'm fine with that, and sometimes I think it's kind of funny.  What's the point?

Sushi_Biker:

When refuting the validity of general faith-based beliefs (especially when making the sweeping, general statements that you do), the safest, most correct arguement you can use begins with "I" or "The athiest community" and to a certain extent "the agnostic community".  I know it comforts you to believe that more people believe as you do in order to validate your feelings but you should just accept that your lack of belief is the minority view and be comfortable with that.

But I wasn't talking about the atheist community, I was talking about people in general.  Yes, I'm aware that some people think the bible is 100% true and accurate down to the letter, but that doesn't mean that contrary information isn't freely available to anyone who cares to check it out.  Lots of religious people have done so, and retained their religious beliefs.  You don't have to be an atheist to undertstand that the bible isn't a history book.

OldMan:

Damon:

What about the very next line of the psalm you used to start off this thread: "may his children be fatherless and his wife a widow."  Yep - real moral.  Asking your invisible friend to murder people definitely has a place in civilized society.

I don't know the bible so I don't know the context this was pulled out of.  Is the bible teaching this is what people should do or is it just relating a story of what someone said or wrote?    

It's a psalm.

whitefeather:

Wasn't Darwin Catholic?

No, he was CoE (Church of England), and later agnostic.

whitefeather:

He just believed that we evolved from fish, monkies

No he didn't.

whitefeather:

 

but DNA proves him wrong,

Huh?

whitefeather:

  

As for praying for Obuma, yes, but not for lifting the *** up, but to clean house. Can one say that without the FBI reading these forum boards. and not get into trouble? It's the country that will/ is going down the tubes

Maybe someone in this guy's camp can explain what he's trying to say.  It's Greek to me.

Sigh...Must I, Damon?  Nice backpeddle dude. Here you go, since you're having instant and selective amnesia:

Damon:

The bible isn't meaningless gobbledygook.  It just makes many claims we now know to be completely wrong, and advocates a moral system that isn't compatible with civilized people.

Damon:

By "we" I don't mean you and me.  I mean that the inaccurate and contradictory nature of the book is well-known among people in general.  It's part of the general body of human understanding and knowledge.

Right Damon, by "we" you DON'T mean you and me, the "we" you are implying is the "you" and what you consider "civilized society" which you IMPLY is the majority of the global population by the qualifying statement "general body of human understanding and knowledge".

Don't play the "liberal victim" with palms up who claims his words are taken out of context. You are either careless with your words, of very low intelligence, or intelligent, deliberate and subtle with your implications.

Damon:

You guys are really running with this "we" thing, even though I don't think anyone here is stupid enough to not understand what I meant.  You're really grasping at straws here.

As for the 10 comandment argument, it's all just common sense and certainly not exclusive to one religion. Their all just general rules for living in a civilized society. Something I as and athiest have absolutley no trouble with.

Sushi_Biker:

Sigh...Must I, Damon?  Nice backpeddle dude. Here you go, since you're having instant and selective amnesia:

Damon:

The bible isn't meaningless gobbledygook.  It just makes many claims we now know to be completely wrong, and advocates a moral system that isn't compatible with civilized people.

Damon:

By "we" I don't mean you and me.  I mean that the inaccurate and contradictory nature of the book is well-known among people in general.  It's part of the general body of human understanding and knowledge.

Right Damon, by "we" you DON'T mean you and me, the "we" you are implying is the "you" and what you consider "civilized society" which you IMPLY is the majority of the global population by the qualifying statement "general body of human understanding and knowledge".

Wrong again.

Sushi_Biker:

Don't play the "liberal victim" with palms up who claims his words are taken out of context. You are either careless with your words, of very low intelligence, or intelligent, deliberate and subtle with your implications.

Please.  I'm not a liberal, and I'm certainly not being victimized.  You're not taking my words out of context - you're pretending they mean something they don't.

Here, I'll rephrase the whole thing for you:  The bible makes many claims which are now widely known to be false.

Happy?

So when Islam outnumbers Christians, based on your statement, what will you say to Christianity as a whole? 

Sushi_Biker will say....:

I know it comforts you to believe that more people believe as you do in order to validate your feelings but you should just accept that your belief is the minority view and be comfortable with that.

BTW

Damon - On the subject of religion you can speak for me, so use "We" all you want.

Sushi_Biker:

Sigh...Must I, Damon?  Nice backpeddle dude. Here you go, since you're having instant and selective amnesia:

Damon:

The bible isn't meaningless gobbledygook.  It just makes many claims we now know to be completely wrong, and advocates a moral system that isn't compatible with civilized people.

Damon:

By "we" I don't mean you and me.  I mean that the inaccurate and contradictory nature of the book is well-known among people in general.  It's part of the general body of human understanding and knowledge.

Right Damon, by "we" you DON'T mean you and me, the "we" you are implying is the "you" and what you consider "civilized society" which you IMPLY is the majority of the global population by the qualifying statement "general body of human understanding and knowledge".

Don't play the "liberal victim" with palms up who claims his words are taken out of context. You are either careless with your words, of very low intelligence, or intelligent, deliberate and subtle with your implications.

Ken (A.K.A. Big Shasta):

Damon:

Hah - and for a minute I thought you were being somewhat clever - but it turns out you just got it from a bumper sticker.  After a couple years of RSW religious threads, I should have realized that the resident godbotherers don't know the bible well enough to make something like this up on their own.

 

 

There's a religion of Darwin that teaches everything just magically came together, Which Darwin are you talking about? I don't know of only one. and he was a religious man Cathoilc, not religon of Darwin don't through a mane out their with no responce

Meatball:

Damon:

You guys are really running with this "we" thing, even though I don't think anyone here is stupid enough to not understand what I meant.  You're really grasping at straws here.

Well Damon "I" agree with you completely, so now we can officially be we. This is the best you guys can come up with for debate? The sooner the educated world stops honoring cults and superstitions, as is slowly happening, the better. Just think how much better the world would be today without goofy relious people killing in the name of their god! Just because everybody else on the block believes there's a magic guy in the sky doesn't make it so!

As for the 10 comandment argument, it's all just common sense and certainly not exclusive to one religion. Their all just general rules for living in a civilized society. Something I as and athiest have absolutley no trouble with.

Count me in as a "we" also.  I am in complete agreement with your thought process Damon.  I just have a hard time coming down hard on someones belief system as you do.  They are free to believe whatever they wish as far as I am concerned.  If it works for them so be it.  At the same time I get very frustrated when others try to tell me that I must believe in the man in the sky.

Lets face it.  Niether side is apt to budge on this don't you think? 

PS: Meatball,,, this is the second time in two days that I have agreed with you on a topic.  I am not sure I like that.