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Does anyone actually oppose the real health care plan, or is this just another thread where everyone freaks out over the imaginary plan where the gov't takes all your money and doctors and gives them away free to the unemployed, illegals, and unemployed illegals?

Hell, I already pay for welfare on these illegals & fat lazy sob's that won't get a job.  What pisses me off is going to the grocery store & seeing these fat slobs or illegals who can't speak English at the check out with two packed full buggies; then put all those groceries that you & I pay for in their expensive vehicle they are driving.  About 95% of all goverment programs a f'ed up.  This health care plan will be no different.....

fake:

... What pisses me off is going to the grocery store & seeing these fat slobs or illegals who can't speak English at the check out with two packed full buggies; then put all those groceries that you & I pay for in their expensive vehicle they are driving. ....

we should have a an entire thread dedicated to this alone

SmaShitUp(mike7202):

What pisses me off is going to the grocery store & seeing these fat slobs or illegals who can't speak English

When I started working as a civilian I paid as low as $30.00 per week for a Family Plan typical Blue Cross Blue Shield with Dental & Eye Care. Today's rising health care cost has me at $210.00 per week for similar coverage with the same provider. Lets be real. Our current health care system is out of control cost wise. I am all for helping our fellow American Citizen and their families during difficult times, but I am against providing coverage for Illegal Immigrants. Who knows when I might be out of work and dealing with unemployment and will need help to cover my family. Its all about taking care of our own. Every American deserves to have some sort of health coverage for themselves and their children, their families. The children need help. Our parents need help. Our grand parents need help. My friend's need help........and quite honestly that is all that matters. Taking care of our own.

how about limiting the salaries of doctors? why does a doctor feel he deserves hundreds of thousands of dollars a year in salaries? some make millions. thats the main cost of healthcare. doctors in other parts of the world have very comfortable lives making a fraction of what doctors make here. i know doctors are valuable but come on... i think they are way over paid. if their salaries were capped you would see the cost of medical service drop like a stone.

HELLASONWHEELS:

how about limiting the salaries of doctors? why does a doctor feel he deserves hundreds of thousands of dollars a year in salaries? some make millions. thats the main cost of healthcare. doctors in other parts of the world have very comfortable lives making a fraction of what doctors make here. i know doctors are valuable but come on... i think they are way over paid. if their salaries were capped you would see the cost of medical service drop like a stone.

Hilarious. How about we limit your salary? I bet someone out there thinks you make too much money for the job you perform.

Great idea, lets get some half wits to be Dr's because all the really smart people have decided they should do something that pays better.

Some of you really miss the point here.

There is nothing worn with American healthcare.... NOTHING. There is something wrong with the scam some call insurance.

JamesD:

There is something wrong with the scam some call insurance.

And Lawyers.  Most doctors nowadays are employees of medical groups.  They draw a salary just like employees of other companies do.  It's the only way they can afford the liability insurance. 

JamesD:

How about we limit your salary? 

 The government already does.  It's called The Minimum Wage Law. Have you checked the Unemployment figures for 16 24 year olds?

first of all, its expensive. before my wife started working for a health insurance provider i paid $850 a month through my employer, since then its down to a more reasonable $200 or so. do to circumstances in our family we cant ever be not covered. the beautiful thing about this govt health care is i don't think they address one of the real problems of why the cost has risen so dramatically. until they find a solution to the illegal Mexican health plan  ie   going to the emergency room for everything down to the common cold and stiffing the hospital for the bill. i don't think any plan will work..........IM FREAKING TIRED OF PAYING FOR EVERYBODY

DarkStar:

When I started working as a civilian I paid as low as $30.00 per week for a Family Plan typical Blue Cross Blue Shield with Dental & Eye Care. Today's rising health care cost has me at $210.00 per week for similar coverage with the same provider. Lets be real. Our current health care system is out of control cost wise. I am all for helping our fellow American Citizen and their families during difficult times, but I am against providing coverage for Illegal Immigrants. Who knows when I might be out of work and dealing with unemployment and will need help to cover my family. Its all about taking care of our own. Every American deserves to have some sort of health coverage for themselves and their children, their families. The children need help. Our parents need help. Our grand parents need help. My friend's need help........and quite honestly that is all that matters. Taking care of our own.

WarriorDog:

and Lawyers.  Most doctors nowadays are employees of medical groups.    It's the only way they can afford the liability insurance. 

You nailed it most doctors make good money but the lawers get it with all the law suits over BS!!! We all know which way sh!t flows. The more BS down hill the more cost rises!!! I am all for helping those who can't help them selves, but the ones who live off of what I do should be left to their own devices!!! If we really look at who is uninsured many are illeagal...(undocumented)...gotta be PC....and those who just don't want insurance,young people who don't think they need it. The thing with the numbers is like unemployment. 10.2% is actually more like 17 to 18% when asked are you looking for work if you say no it is not put into the count. When you add all these people in you get the real number. I have no problem with my health care I work hard and take care of my own affairs, so should the other AZZ Clowns that can don't try to make life fair it isn't and won't ever be, we screwed that up in the garden long ago!!!!!!

I am 16SHY and that's what I think!!!!!!

DarkStar:

When I started working as a civilian I paid as low as $30.00 per week for a Family Plan typical Blue Cross Blue Shield with Dental & Eye Care. Today's rising health care cost has me at $210.00 per week for similar coverage with the same provider. Lets be real. Our current health care system is out of control cost wise. I am all for helping our fellow American Citizen and their families during difficult times, but I am against providing coverage for Illegal Immigrants. Who knows when I might be out of work and dealing with unemployment and will need help to cover my family. Its all about taking care of our own. Every American deserves to have some sort of health coverage for themselves and their children, their families. The children need help. Our parents need help. Our grand parents need help. My friend's need help........and quite honestly that is all that matters. Taking care of our own.

When I started to work in 1974 a loaf of bread was .24 cents.  A gallon of milk was around a $1.25.  Gasoline was .50 cents a gallon.  I was making $4.85 an hour. Minimum wage was $2.00 an hour.  My dad bought a brand new car for $3900. In 1982, when my first son was born, I paid nothing for health insurance. I was making about $350.00 a week working 3 part time jobs and goin' to college 14 hours a week.  I bought my first car, a five year old Ford, for $500.00 in 1975. 

Everything's gone up.  Even the freakin' speed limit.

I would speculate that most people with out health insurance, choose not to purchase health insurance.  I would speculate that most people with out health insurance probably have purchased a cell phone, cable tv, with premium channels, that they view on a huge screen TV.  They probably have computers and internet access, probably eat out three or four times a week.    I'm not saying that all people without insurance are this way. BUT, I would speculate that most of them make the choice not to purchase health insurance. 

Their thinking is that "It's just too expensive and the law says the hospital can't turn me away if I need medical attention anyway. So, I'll spend my money on the things that are really important to me."

This whole thing could have been "Fixed" by expanding Medicare to those who are "truly in need". 

We have 2 hospitals here and both are non profit organizations. They are forever adding on and under constant construction and spending alot of $$$ on, IMO extravagant shat. They do this because they can not show a profit and the money needs to be spent. Just my .02 but the belt could for sure get tightened up a bit on what I would consider wastefull spending. I guess thats why they charge so much for the small crap like a box of tissue etc. I guess what I am trying to say is this also is not helping our health care cost.

JamesD:

HELLASONWHEELS:

how about limiting the salaries of doctors? why does a doctor feel he deserves hundreds of thousands of dollars a year in salaries? some make millions. thats the main cost of healthcare. doctors in other parts of the world have very comfortable lives making a fraction of what doctors make here. i know doctors are valuable but come on... i think they are way over paid. if their salaries were capped you would see the cost of medical service drop like a stone.

Hilarious. How about we limit your salary? I bet someone out there thinks you make too much money for the job you perform.

Great idea, lets get some half wits to be Dr's because all the really smart people have decided they should do something that pays better.

Some of you really miss the point here.

There is nothing worn with American healthcare.... NOTHING. There is something wrong with the scam some call insurance.

so the doctors that are paid less money in other countries are half wits??? you should get out more...

my salary is already limited due to industry standards and common sense. im a tig welder in the aerospace industry. 

 there is no justification for a doctor to perform a 30 min surgery and have the patient spend a lifetime paying it off. my friend broke his leg in miami and it cost him 250 000$ you know, you can buy a house for that kind of money. 

HELLASONWHEELS:

my friend broke his leg in miami and it cost him 250 000$ you know,

No, I don't know.  Gonna call BullShitt on that one.  You're not telling the whole story or your friend lied to you.  

HELLASONWHEELS:

so the doctors that are paid less money in other countries are half wits???

You should ask your insurance or health care provider to use only "outsourced" doctors in other countries to cut costs.  Riiiight!!!

Most Tig welders in other countries make less than you do also,  so should your career field be the next target? 

You think I'm joking?  Who's next? What industry is next?  When will the gov't run health care cancel your coverage because you ride a motorcycle?   Your too big a risk to cover!! 

BTW,  Is there anyone on this site that owns a Warrior AND chooses not to have health care coverage???

Hmmmm