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Clutch Slipping Need HELP!

Last post 06-18-2009 11:45 PM by Brian Karr. 11 replies.
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  • 06-17-2009 12:49 PM

    Clutch Slipping Need HELP!

    I just took off my old 6.5" risers to send them in to be re-chromed and installed a set of 5.5" risers.  What has happened is when I am rolling in 2nd-4th gears and roll the throttle back hard my RPM's skyrocket and then you can feel, at least to me, clutch slipping then it grabs and you take off.  The clutch has always been hard to operate but now it is just a little harder.  There is NO play in the lever, meaning when you touch the lever it starts the high rev's.  I have checked the cable to make sure it is not pinched in anyway.  CAN SOMEONE HELP I WANT THE TAKE OFF SPEED AGAIN!!

     

     

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  • 06-17-2009 12:56 PM In reply to

    Re: Clutch Slipping Need HELP!

    there are 2 adjusters.

    i'm not expert, but I would simply back off the top adjuster at the clutch handle, the round adjuetser nut until you have roughly a 1/8" of play or so....and test it. if there is no play you clutch is adjusted to tight....almost engaged constantly.

    The round nut is the lock nut, loosen this and then turn the adjusting bolt (lefty loosey) will give you more play, (righty tighty) will remove the play and tighten the cable...you need some play.

     

    if you can't get the free play uyou need, then go to the engine side adjuster and do the same thing, loosen the lock nut, back off until you get a little slack at the clutch lever. it's a combination of these to adjustments that will get you the play you need so that your clutch is not engaged constantly.

    try that and get back to us.

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  • 06-17-2009 1:08 PM In reply to

    Re: Clutch Slipping Need HELP!

    Go here: http://rswarrior.com/files/folders/owners_manuals/entry839261.aspx

    Follow clutch cable adjustment procedure (Chapter 6).

    Better yet, get a copy of the Service Manual and it'll describe the complete procedure to set-up a clutch cable so that it ca be adjusted as the Owners Manual describes!  PLUS, there's a link in Popular Mods to a free e-copy service manual Big Smile

  • 06-17-2009 2:33 PM In reply to

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     mine was that tight to when i got it i use the nickel method just put a nickel inbetween the lever and cable housing and back it off just so the nickel holds and just as soon as you touch the clutch lever the nickel falls 

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  • 06-17-2009 2:52 PM In reply to

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     +1 I use the nickel method of spacing on the clutch lever as well.  Now how about a bigger, high res pic of your avatar?!?!Stick out tongue

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  • 06-17-2009 2:56 PM In reply to

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    ok guys, we know the adjustment takes what, all of 5 minutes including a test drive right? so i waonder how he's makin out...

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  • 06-17-2009 3:25 PM In reply to

    • AlanH
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    Idea [I] Re: Clutch Slipping Need HELP!

    Brian Karr:

    I just took off my old 6.5" risers to send them in to be re-chromed and installed a set of 5.5" risers.  What has happened is when I am rolling in 2nd-4th gears and roll the throttle back hard my RPM's skyrocket and then you can feel, at least to me, clutch slipping then it grabs and you take off.  The clutch has always been hard to operate but now it is just a little harder.  There is NO play in the lever, meaning when you touch the lever it starts the high rev's.  I have checked the cable to make sure it is not pinched in anyway.  CAN SOMEONE HELP I WANT THE TAKE OFF SPEED AGAIN!!

    Brian Karr .... if the slipping was a result of swapping over risers i would suspect that the small swaged cable end at the clutch case has become dislodged in the pull-lever retainer causing a false over adjustment resulting in slipping.

    A simple inspection of the terminated connection is the Tell-Tale ... I've seen this occurence personally on others bikes and also in the field.

    If the cable end is dislodged you'll need to slacken it and reposition the swaged end properly in the pivot bracket and then readjust the cable Wink

    Thom .... do you recognize this photo Hmm

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  • 06-17-2009 3:46 PM In reply to

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    Alan - that is a pic I posted when I installed my new clutch cable.  The first one came with a straight casing on that end which I was told would work despite the originals being an angled end.  I found that unacceptable and returned it for one which looked like the original shape.  After installing that, the plastic sheathing still came off as pictured.  I do not think it was b/c of overtightening nor was it misaligned as I was careful to watch for those.  I was also told this was quite common.  Not sure what you are trying to impy - Am I missing something here?   BTW, I have had zero problems since this install with the clutch cable like this, I just trimmed the rest of the plastic inner sleeve off in that area....

     here is the entire response to the plastic inner sleeve phenomena in the pic....

    quote:
    Originally posted by AlanH

    mdfdwarrior... it looks/sounds like the cable coating is rubbing the inside diameter of the stepped ferrule/adapter that fits into the cable support bracket.

    You should contact the vendor and or Barnett directly as you have no control over the tolerances IMO.

    My Barnett cable is just over 2-yrs old and doesn't have any visible coating on the stainless inner cable as yours so it needs to be lubed! If it was coated i can't remember [:(]



    thanx Alan - yeah the new Barnett premiums come w/ a plastic coated inner sleeve. I sprayed some lube down the entire cable in between the plastic inner sleeve and the outer casing and they are slick as hell now.
    I suspect the reason for this issue is because the new Barnett cable has an outer case sleeving that is thicker than the stock oem. This causes the cable to not be as flexible as stock in the turns and bends it is required to make in order to achieve the same angle of movement at the bottom towards the clutch bracket arm.

    I ended up adjusting this angle of the clutch bracket arm from the 2 o'clock position to more like a 1 o'clock. This repositioned the cable for a straighter movement. I also ended up shaving the plastic inner sleeve in that area (everything outside of the outer casing sleeve to the nipple of the clutch bracket arm, about an inch worth of the plastic inner casing) and it is much smoother now. The inner plastic sleeve only acts as a slick surface in between the cable itself and the outer casing sleeve. The inner plastic sleeve really serves no purpose for the one inch or so length of area past the outer sleeving to the nipple.

     

    AlanH:

    Brian Karr:

    I just took off my old 6.5" risers to send them in to be re-chromed and installed a set of 5.5" risers.  What has happened is when I am rolling in 2nd-4th gears and roll the throttle back hard my RPM's skyrocket and then you can feel, at least to me, clutch slipping then it grabs and you take off.  The clutch has always been hard to operate but now it is just a little harder.  There is NO play in the lever, meaning when you touch the lever it starts the high rev's.  I have checked the cable to make sure it is not pinched in anyway.  CAN SOMEONE HELP I WANT THE TAKE OFF SPEED AGAIN!!

    Brian Karr .... if the slipping was a result of swapping over risers i would suspect that the small swaged cable end at the clutch case has become dislodged in the pull-lever retainer causing a false over adjustment resulting in slipping.

    A simple inspection of the terminated connection is the Tell-Tale ... I've seen this occurence personally on others bikes and also in the field.

    If the cable end is dislodged you'll need to slacken it and reposition the swaged end properly in the pivot bracket and then readjust the cable Wink

    Thom .... do you recognize this photo Hmm

     
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  • 06-17-2009 4:29 PM In reply to

    • AlanH
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    Re: Clutch Slipping Need HELP!

    mdfdwarrior:
    ................  Not sure what you are trying to impy - Am I missing something here? .....
     WOW ... settle down there ... i wanted to post a photo of the connection that was referenced in my response saw your name and made a mental connection remembering that you had once posted a photo of this end and did a simple query using you ..... nothing more than that and i always give credit when i take from others and that was the reason for my reference to acknowledge you. Have you got a problem with that?

    Had i not referenced you over the photo, would you have recognized it and responded?

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  • 06-17-2009 4:41 PM In reply to

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    no need to settle down as my question was asked in earnest.  It is still a mystery to me why the plastic inner sleeve frayed while in operation.  I thought you were finally able to discern what was causing it.  I ruled out too tight and wrong angle awhile back when I first installed it....I'm not upset, just wanted to know if you found out more about the frayed inner sleeve is all lol...

     BTW, I just ask direct questions and laugh at all the ethugs and internet machismo lately so don't take it the wrong way....Wink

    AlanH:

    mdfdwarrior:
    ................  Not sure what you are trying to impy - Am I missing something here? .....
     WOW ... settle down there ... i wanted to post a photo of the connection that was referenced in my response saw your name and made a mental connection remembering that you had once posted a photo of this end and did a simple query using you ..... nothing more than that and i always give credit when i take from others and that was the reason for my reference to acknowledge you. Have you got a problem with that?

    Had i not referenced you over the photo, would you have recognized it and responded?

     
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  • 06-18-2009 11:42 PM In reply to

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    I'll see if she will do some more shooting this weekend!  Its supposed to be close to 100 outside so maybe just a little sweat but I am sure nobody will mind.

    Its wonderful seeing a beautiful woman pulling something hard
  • 06-18-2009 11:45 PM In reply to

    Re: Clutch Slipping Need HELP!

    I want to thank everyone for all of the suggestions.  I did the adjustments as you said and we are good again.  Time to run the Busa's again.

    Its wonderful seeing a beautiful woman pulling something hard
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