The Yamaha Road Star Warrior Forum

JamesD:

Good for him. A jury will never convict.

Scratch one piece of trash.

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i agree.i was told by a officer that if you shoot,shoot to kill. if u just wound them you have to face him in court and is your word against his and you will be paying his doctor bills and disability. but  in court a dead man cant talk. dont stop shooting till u run out of ammo.

Rhatphlegm:

 Acquit the pharmacist, and only allow him 2 rounds in his next gun for self defense.  ;-/

LOL!!

I think we're all in agreement it was too far.  I have no simpathy for the kid, but none for the pharmacist either.  I can see the "in the heat of the moment" excuse working if he shot him in the head.. he fell to the floor.. then immeadiately following he shot more.  But to have to walk by him, set the gun down, grab another gun and come back to shoot... that moment has far passed.

Unfortunately I do not see a good outcome for the pharmacist.

C-one:

JamesD:

Good for him. A jury will never convict.

Scratch one piece of trash.

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Unfortunately I don't see it this way.  When the immediate threat was illimated, the justification for more shots was also.

This even so for Officers.  We were taught if we use lethal force (in self defense or in defense of civilians), we are actually guilty until proven innocent.  It's bullsh*t but that's the way the Checks and Balance system works.  Everyone is accountable for their actions.

Hmmm...

While I agree that the guy was shot during a robbery attempt... and I see that as justified....

He might be found as premeditated homicide is they can prove he was still alive.. and died because of the later shots....

Premeditaded... because we walked to get the other gun with premeditation to shoot an unarmed, wounded, non-threatening person...

I don't see a jury being too lenient. He should have aimed better the first time.... that would have been defense....

never the less..... on less criminal on the street....

I have no sympathy for the robber, but the pharmacist is a moron for shooting an incapacitated man five more times, on camera, well after "the moment" had passed.

Even if the initial shot had been instantly fatal, I'm sure he'd be up on some other idiotic charge for "abusing a corpse" or something.

He needlessly put himself in a rough spot.  Aim once, fire twice, put the gun down, call cops.  Done deal.

Sushi_Biker:

As a military man, I advocate gun ownership, but RESPONSIBLE, SENSIBLE ownership and defense with training, and education regarding the legal ramifications of discharging or showing your weapon.

 Yes, this man went too far. At first, he engaged in self-defense, and what we call "collective defense", meaning he felt bound to protect the women who were nearby. Although I'm sure this was not his thought process, he had all of the necessary requirements to discharge his weapon (at first). The assailants had the intent to kill him, the means to kill him, and the opportunity to kill him. We call this the "deadly force triangle". If any of the sides are missing, you should NOT use deadly force to stop an assailant (unless you enjoy jail time).

This man used deadly force to stop the assailant from engaging in the criminal, life-threatening activity that he was engaged in. At that point, he should have STOPPED and called the authorities.

 Everything else he did, was vindictive and emotion-driven and he should pay some sort of price to society for using excessive force. I'm not sure what that price should be, I only know that he exceeded the amount of force required to restore safety to his person, and the women he was protecting.

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 But it's OK for the police to shoot? While I agree both men got what they deserved why the double standard?

 

Nine law enforcement officers fired their weapons when suspect Angilo Freeland was shot and killed during a massive search in September. A total of 89 cartridge casings from the officers' guns were recovered. The autopsy of Freeland found 68 gunshot entry wounds. The Florida Department of Law Enforcement identified the officers and listed their weapons and the number of shots fired:

Daryl C. Amerson
: Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission; .223-caliber Bushmaster semiautomatic rifle; 10 rounds.

Grant E. Burton
: FWC; .223-caliber Bushmaster semiautomatic rifle; one round.

Robert J. Miller
: FWC; Remington 12-gauge pump-action shotgun, one round.

Vann E. Streety
: FWC; 223-caliber Bushmaster semi­automatic rifle; five rounds.

Ralph E. McDuffie
: Lake County Sheriff's Office; Hechler & Koch .223-caliber select-fire machine gun; 24 rounds.

Darius Harper
: Marion County Sheriff's Office; .223-caliber semiautomatic rifle; 22 rounds.

Chad A. Anderson
: Polk County Sheriff's Office; Hechler & Koch 9mm select-fire submachine gun; 12 rounds.

Shawnee E. McCawley
: Polk County Sheriff's Office; Armalite .223-caliber semi-automatic rifle; nine rounds.

Eric V. Harper
: Lakeland Police Department; Hecker & Koch .40-caliber semi-automatic pistol; five rounds.

 

Skikrazee:

 But it's OK for the police to shoot? While I agree both men got what they deserved why the double standard?

That's a bit  off-topic....

If your curious about that incident.. PM me and I'll be more than happy to explain a few points....

What's to explain other than why the officers hadn't had any training with their weapons?  Teach them how to shoot, train them on what to expect, train them how to react when totally surprised and the savings in ammo alone will keep them in donuts for at least a month week day maybe half the morning!

When you kill a raiding coyote coming into pasture to take your sheep, you simply hang him on the fence to prevent return predators.

Rest assured criminal activity is likley further prevented in that man's pharmacy. He was simply hanging out the coyote.

siradude:

Premeditaded... because we walked to get the other gun with premeditation to shoot an unarmed (that was unknown, he would have been assumed to be armed as his partner was), wounded, non-threatening person (Indeterminate at the time...people get back up after the initial shock of being shot )...

 

That being said, I think it was excessive but justifiable. 

cjmurph:

When you kill a raiding coyote coming into pasture to take your sheep, you simply hang him on the fence to prevent return predators.

Rest assured criminal activity is likley further prevented in that man's pharmacy. He was simply hanging out the coyote.

 

Absolutely....we need more "hanging coyotes" in this country.

Ken (A.K.A. Big Shasta):

Absolutely....we need more "hanging coyotes" in this country.

 

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+1 I agree 100% If you want to live by the gun, then you must accept you may die by it. Theft is one of the oldest occupations in history. The punishment obviously is not harsh enough.