The Yamaha Road Star Warrior Forum

ridingrules:

Washingtonwarrior:

That's where information  and speculation cross. An unarmed man is a known unarmed man (even though at times that isn't known fast enough). From the video, there is no way of knowing if this guy had just committed a drive by shooting at a school yard is there? There isno way of knowing from the video if he had or had not just ran over a kid with his bike. There is no way of knowing that 40 people aren't wounded and a promise to kill 40 more. From the video, there are too many facts missing to make an informed decision either way.

ridingrules:

+1 for excessive force. He purposely swerved to hit this guy. Frankly, it looks like assault with a deadly weapon to me. I know we don't have all the details of the chase here, but I don't see this being much different than the police shooting an unarmed man in the back.

 

 

OHC asked us to watch the video and comment. I think it looks like assault with a deadly weapon on an unarmed man. If the roles were reversed, that's what it would be called, possibly even attempted murder if the prosecutor was feeling froggy. Maybe the officer had some justification (like maybe the guy just mowed down a bus full of school children), but I don't think so because a). the motorcyclist did not seem to have much urgency in trying to get away from the cruiser behind him, b). the motorcyclist got up off the ground and surrendered (he didn't pull out his AR-15 and let bullets fly, which is what I would probably do if an officer purposely ran over me with his car), and c). rather than hiding behind their cars prepared to put him down for good, all those officers approached the suspect like business as usual. 

Ultimately, I can't say whether the officer was justified, but from what I see in that video, I start with the opinion that he used his patrol car as a weapon against an unarmed civilian in a way that could easily have killed the civilian (not to mention he could have ended up with the civilian in his lap).

Marco Polo:

nmbillr:

Oh and all of you Citizens On Patrol with those loud and ILLEGAL pipes should take them off or turn yourself in asap.  I would hope you are as law abiding as you think this biker should be in the video. 

Well you sure aren't going to see me running from the cops if they try and ticket me for my exhaust, that's for sure.  I don't think anyone here is claiming to never have broken a law.  The point is that when you break the law you have to accept the punnishment and just pull over.  If you don't you should accept the consequences.  I know personal responsibility isn't really a big focus anymore but it should be.

DennisFranz:

nmbillr:

If he had done something serious they would have drawn down on him.  You can see that this was something petty but the police reaction to him when he got up.  We dont know you are right but there is evidence none the less.  I have never seen a murder suspect worry about a small bag of pot.  If you look real close he has no safe place to pull over....you are not to stop unless it is a safe place to do so.  I wouldnt have stopped on the shoulder.  If I ever see one of you going 90mph or more I will assume you are indangering pedestrians and ram my truck into your bike also. LOL  Yeah right.

 

LOL

You claim using the cruiser is excessive, then you complain they did not draw down on him? 

A safe spot would be to slow down and pull onto the shoulder, stop on the right most portion of the roadway or into probably one of the many private driveways he most likely passed already. You really mean to say that the rider was actually looking for a safe spot to stop? With multiple cruisers arriving to a 'pursuit'since he can not find a safe spot?

Again, don't let the dope cloud what happened prior, felony evading on a motor vehicle.

 

Damn Dennis, I thought we were better than that now?  LOL  I was not complainin,  I was just statin my opinion.  I bet you are good at what you do and are seeing this through your eyes.  You didnt do it so feel free to say he MAY have overreacted and I will feel free to say he May have done the right thing.  See, we can meet in the middle.  What if i defended some dumb @ss fireman just cause I didnt want firemen to look bad?

ridingrules:

.......I know we don't have all the details of the chase here, but I don't see this being much different than the police shooting an unarmed man in the back.

Well my computer still won't let me play videos, but as far this portion of the comment just want to throw this out there.

An officer is justified to shoot an unarmed fleeing felon if he is believed to still be a threat. Ex. officer sees a robber holding what appears to be a weapon at the cashier and takes off out the back door, the officer sees the man running through a field with empty hands. The officer knows there is a subdivision on the other side of the field.  He would be fully justified to shoot the suspect as he flees. 

The reasoning is.... The officer must act on what is known.  Officer knows there is some kind of weapon (even if it is just a toy knife/gun), the officer must act upon the given circumstances and what he knows at that given time.  You can't run down a suspect with a weapon.  If he has a knife (a knife is leathal within 20ft) and the officer goes hands on, the officer could get stabbed, and definitely can't chase a man with a gun.  Plus one must factor in the environment.  If that officer looses the suspect, there is a neigborhood near by at which the suspect now has a chance to endanger more civilians.

Now if one were to watch the end of the video in a situation like this, everyone would see the officer shooting an unarmed man in the back as he was running through a field.  Guess my point is, there's not just a few things we don't know.  There are way to many unknown factors to even contemplate a judgement.

Just some food for thought. lol

Thats screwed up.. try pulling that one on a police officer.. You will have the book thrown at you and alot of fists and kicks..  You can't outrun radios.. Prolly just a young azz punk.. pull your pants up boy!

Marco Polo:

Well you sure aren't going to see me running from the cops if they try and ticket me for my exhaust, that's for sure.  I don't think anyone here is claiming to never have broken a law.  The point is that when you break the law you have to accept the punnishment and just pull over.  If you don't you should accept the consequences.  I know personal responsibility isn't really a big focus anymore but it should be.

+1 Bingo on this one.  Personal responsibility.  noone is in the wrong and blame it on someone else.  Sick of it.

ridingrules:

I think it looks like assault with a deadly weapon on an unarmed man. If the roles were reversed, that's what it would be called, possibly even attempted murder if the prosecutor was feeling froggy

An unarmed man...on a 600 pound machine capable of 180+MPH.. see how that feels when he runs into your minivan while you are turning into mcD's to  get your kid a happy meal....

If roles were reversed..IT SHOULD BE CALLED ATTEMPTED MURDER.  get a  grip people. No matter what the crime, if any crime.  red and blue means stop, I dont know why its so hard for you people to unsdestand this.  If they stopped him for no reason, he can take them to court and sue them, until then red and blue means stop.  I will keep saying this until you understand.  Sick and tired of people defending the criminals.  He was wrong and went past 3 separate driveways.  red and blue mean stop.

 The cops usually don't know everything when they enter the scene and have to make spit decision. Anybody that has to make split decisions on a regular basis are going to make good and bad ones. If the public may be in danger, that's got to be one of the toughest things you could ask a human being to do. A hero one day can be a a goat the next day.

I don't hate cops, I have known a lot of cops I liked and have not known a lot I didn't like. Personal responsibility is a big deal for me and I learned a lot of it the hard way. It's simple really, the cops and the IRS can ruin your life. If you play by the rules, it's unlikely either won't ruin your life. Though you may be in the right, sometimes it's stupid to prove it. I have an analogy I like a lot and this is it. If yo are in a crosswalk and a semi is coming at you too fast, you may have the right of way but you'd be an idiot to try to prove it. If the guy would have pulled over, none of what was on the video would have happened.

The question was never weather or not the squid should have pulled over. Everyone here agrees he should have. The question is weather the cop used excessive force. Based on what I see in that video theres no question it is. The argument about leaving him on the street and having him ram you in a cross walk or your mini van is lame. The reason so many areas have banned high speed chases is to many inocent people were being killed in and by them, by fleeing cars and police cruisers alike.

I'm shocked how many people are proud to blindly state how ANY force neccesary is acceptable if you don't stop. And my personal favorite "I'd ram him with my pickup truck". You sir should have to wear a sign!!!!!

 you're still basing your assumption on your belief that he in no way was a danger to anybody. Based on the video, that's just an assumption .

All this video shows is someone obviously not stopping for the police. This tells me that he is obviously a treat to society and needed to be stopped. The cop was justified and the guy should be punished to the full extent of the law. If a cop is wrong he should be corrected, but i will not fault them for stopping a criminal.

Aaron

Judge2008:

All this video shows is someone obviously not stopping for the police. This tells me that he is obviously a treat to society and needed to be stopped. The cop was justified and the guy should be punished to the full extent of the law. If a cop is wrong he should be corrected, but i will not fault them for stopping a criminal.

Aaron

So if the bad guy is wrong he should be punished to the full extent of the law but if the officer was wrong he should only be corrected?  LOL

Go W

Meatball:

The question was never weather or not the squid should have pulled over. Everyone here agrees he should have. The question is weather the cop used excessive force. Based on what I see in that video theres no question it is. The argument about leaving him on the street and having him ram you in a cross walk or your mini van is lame. The reason so many areas have banned high speed chases is to many inocent people were being killed in and by them, by fleeing cars and police cruisers alike.

I'm shocked how many people are proud to blindly state how ANY force neccesary is acceptable if you don't stop. And my personal favorite "I'd ram him with my pickup truck". You sir should have to wear a sign!!!!!

This is some good sht! LOL

OK let me clarify. If the cop intentionally broke the law ( sells drugs, murders, violate your rights, ect. ) then yes punish them to the full extent of the law because they are expected to be held to a higher standard. However if the cop was performing his duties like in the video and made a judgment call improperly, he should be corrected. And no i do not think they made the wrong call. We cannot have our officers afraid to make the tough decisions because they are afraid to go to jail for a mistaken judgment call. If they are then they won't make any decisions and the criminals will win or innocent people will die.

Aaron

parkinglot:

ridingrules:

I think it looks like assault with a deadly weapon on an unarmed man. If the roles were reversed, that's what it would be called, possibly even attempted murder if the prosecutor was feeling froggy

An unarmed man...on a 600 pound machine capable of 180+MPH.. see how that feels when he runs into your minivan while you are turning into mcD's to  get your kid a happy meal....

If roles were reversed..IT SHOULD BE CALLED ATTEMPTED MURDER.  get a  grip people. No matter what the crime, if any crime.  red and blue means stop, I dont know why its so hard for you people to unsdestand this.  If they stopped him for no reason, he can take them to court and sue them, until then red and blue means stop.  I will keep saying this until you understand.  Sick and tired of people defending the criminals.  He was wrong and went past 3 separate driveways.  red and blue mean stop.

I cant take it anymore, when i read this I wanna sing......................And I'm proud to be an American(on a japanese bike) Where at least i know I'm free(unless I dont stop fast enough,then just kill me)  And I'll proudly stand up (if I can still walk) Next to you (unless you smoke weed) and profess my love(gay or straight)today......................................

If you bought it, (and that includes most all illegal drugs) A truck brought it